From: Randall Peters PETERS_RD@..........

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:11:32 -0500

Every seismometer responds to acceleration of the earth; meaning the mass moves relative to the case because the case is accelerated. In thinking about Newton's 2nd law, you can see that it is only an acceleration that "starts" anything of dynamics type. Although we develop kinematics by taking the derivative of position to get velocity and the derivative of velocity to get acceleration; this approach can easily confuse one into getting the 'cart before the horse'. State variables of nature (name used by dynamicists for position, velocity, and acceleration) evolve only in one direction -- just opposite to our first exposure to calculus -- acceleration is the fundamental kinematic variable. The position (deflection) of the mass is directly proportional to the acceleration for a critically damped instrument—as long as the rate of change of the acceleration (specified in terms of frequency) is less than the natural frequency of the instrument. Even if the frequency of the drive is greater than the natural frequency, it is still a straightforward matter to correct for the attenuation. Thus the mass movement of every seismometer directly measures only one thing--acceleration. Of course the movement of the seismic mass can be used to describe the earth's velocity by integrating the output of a sensor that measures mass position (since the mass deflection is directly proportional to acceleration, at least for drive frequencies lower than the eigenfrequency). Before I say anything further about this, let me point out that it is a reasonable assumption that whatever ‘decent’ linear sensor we use (one not worthless because of friction), it has no significant influence on the evolution of the state variables as long as we are not using force feedback that involves an actuator. Of course most of the commercial instruments use force-balance with an actuator, so the arguments that follow must be modified to describe them. The most common older instrument is not measuring the mass position; rather by means of a Faraday's law detector (time changing magnetic flux; i.e., magnet/coil) it is measuring the time rate of change of position. Since the position is determined by the acceleration--simply stated, such a sensor measures the derivative of the ground's acceleration, which is called the 'jerk'. For harmonic motions of the ground (sine or cosine), the velocity of the ground motion is given by omega times the displacement of the ground (same as derivative of position to get velocity), where omega is two-pi times the frequency. Similarly the acceleration is equal to omega times the velocity. Thus there is a simple connection between the amplitude of the mass displacement Am and the ground amplitude A for drive frequency below natural frequency. It is Am = omega squared times A divided by omega0 squared, where both A and Am are in meters. Omega0 is two pi times the natural frequency of the instrument. For a jerk detector the relationship between Am and the ground velocity amplitude V in meters per second is given by omega times V divided by omega0 squared. One can get a better feel for all of this by looking at instrument transfer functions; the best graphics that I know about are provided on John Lahr’s website at http://jclahr.com/science/psn/response/plots.jpg Of these six cases, the upper right graph is the fundamental one. It applies to the output from our VolksMeter; labeled lctst in the data on Larry Cochrane’s webpages. The lower right graph is what gets output from the VolksMeter after integration; labeled lctst1 on Larry’s pages. There is a subtlety in the use of these graphs to describe the old-style jerk sensor (and for that matter the broadband units, since their output is similar, except they use force-balance by means of an actuator to lower omega0). Although the expression ‘velocity sensing’ is used to describe such an output, bear in mind what I said above. It measures the velocity of the seismic mass motion, not the velocity of the ground. Since the mass motion is proportional to the acceleration of the ground, what the instrument is measuring is the jerk of the ground (third derivative of the displacement of the ground). On the basis of the harmonic drive assumption, this third derivative can be related to the first derivative, which is the time rate of change (velocity) of the displacement of the ground. In other words, for a monochromatic harmonic drive (and a Hooke’s law mechanical oscillator if one were to exist), the lower middle graph is a valid representation of how such a sensor’s output voltage responds to ground velocity. When the frequency of the drive is changing, this is no longer as good a sensor to describe what the earth is doing as compared to a position sensor. Not only is there a loss of information with the ‘velocity’ sensor (its inability to see offsets, which ‘get removed except for transients’ because of the derivative); there are also even some ‘false data’ consequences. Let me give you a brief explanation of the artifacts that can be introduced. The potential energy function of a seismometer is not a parabola, the so-called harmonic oscillator potential. Hooke’s law does not apply to real systems because of defect structures. At low energies (the place now begging for better data) the parabola is ‘modulated’ with fine structure; i.e., the potential is ‘ragged’ rather than smooth. When a seismometer with this fine structure is driven by an acceleration of the earth, the simple connection between ground velocity and Faraday-law sensor output voltage is no longer trivial. The nonlinear nature of the dynamics gives rise to a host of complications. Deconvolution is no longer possible because superposition (the standard approach for solving linear equations of motion) is no longer valid. Having spent much of my career studying these nonlinearities, I am probably the only person with connections to seismology, who is intimately familiar with the challenges through direct experience. I intend to generate some simulations of representative cases (ones relevant to free earth oscillations) to illustrate some of the ‘pathologies’ associated with ‘velocity’ sensing. The artifacts generated by a non-ideal (nonlinear) oscillator are worse for a ‘velocity’ sensor than for a ‘position’ sensor. Not only that, the noise equivalent power spectral density is also worse at low frequencies. Thus the velocity sensor introduces more in the way of artifacts having frequencies above the signal of interest, while at the same time having a poorer signal to noise ratio when it comes to the actual frequency of interest. Randall psn-l-digest-request@.............. wrote: > .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. > | Message 1 | > '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' > Subject: Re: Pendulum Q > From: ChrisAtUpw@....... > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:33:55 EST > > -------------------------------1169688835 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > In a message dated 24/01/2007, Brett3mr@............. writes: > > Let me borrow Einstein's thought-experiment box, the one with > no windows that is big enough to let me get inside. Sitting in the box, I > coat the bottom with thought-experiment ice, the kind that has no > friction. Then I set a 1Kg brass weight on the ice in the center of the > floor and wait for the thought-experiment earthquake to occur, which > happens right on time. Being that the quake is conveniently close, I > observe that the mass appears to be moving, which I record with my video > camera. The question is, what am I observing when I plot the motion of the > weight? And then, can I tell anything about the nature of the motion of > the box (i.e. ground velocity or acceleration) from analyzing the weight's > apparent motion inside the box? Also, I observe that, since there can be > no (horizontal) force acting on the weight because of the ice, it will be > seeing no (horizontal) acceleration at all. > > Hi Brett, > > You are recording both the position and the time of relative movements > of the mass. From this you can infer the lateral acceleration and velocity of > the frame of reference, if you know that the mass is not being accelerated. > > Regards, > > Chris Chapman > > -------------------------------1169688835 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Arial"=20 > bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7> e_document=20 > face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >>> >In a message dated 24/01/2007, Brett3mr@............. writes:>style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><= > FONT=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= > =3D2>Let me=20 > borrow Einstein's thought-experiment box, the one with

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>

> You are recording both the position and the time of > relative movements of the mass. From this you can infer the lateral > acceleration and velocity of the frame of reference, if you know that the > mass is not being accelerated.

>

> Regards,

>

> Chris Chapman

> Chris,

> Thanks for your comment, that's exactly what I was trying to > demonstrate.

> On the one hand, there is the derivative relationship between ground > displacement, velocity and acceleration and on the other, the practical > problem of constructing a device to measure them. My 'experiment' > was an attempt to untangle the two issues.

> Regards,

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