## PSN-L Email List Message

Subject: Re: Glass?
From: ChrisAtUpw@.......
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:07:26 EST

```In a message dated 12/11/2007, tchannel1@............ writes:

Hi Folks,   Just wondering about  materials for roller on roller or balls on
plates.   I know the  limitations of glass, but a question about its
smoothness, is the surface of  glass as smooth or smoother than these hardened and
polished  steels?

Hi Ted,

Probably about the same. You get an optical finish  with fine polish on
metal. However glass is a rapidly solidified liquid.

My second question is one of friction: If you  have one ball on one plate you
would have one point of friction.  If you  have one ball resting between two
rollers, (in the V) you would have  two points of friction, but the load would
be divided, because its resting on  two points, so is the end result of
friction loss the  same?

It is the surface to surface properties which are  important. The actual
static friction is proportional to the load, so  halving it and using two
points will likely give a very similar result. However,  if you put a fixed
vertical load on a ball resting on two rods, the loads  at the two points are
increased to give the same resolved vertical  force.

When we talk about friction in pendulum  suspensions, it is not this
static friction to which we are referring. It is the  tiny rolling contact loss as
the materials are compressed and relaxed. No  materials are perfectly
elastic. Glass is poor in this respect and tends to chip  easily.

Regards,

Chris

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