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Subject: RE: Animals and Earthquakes
From: Barry Lotz barry_lotz@.............
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:27:47 -0800 (PST)

```More thoughts on Mr Dog.
I did a little math. If the the P wave travels at 5-8 km/sec then if we use=
7 km/sec and the dog moved ~ 6 sec before the noticeable movement (lets as=
sume the P wave). This would relate to ~ 42 km. Ferndale ( as an example of=
a close town) is about 37 km from the epicenter but the the hypo center is=
@ a depth of 16 km. This would equal ~ 39 km travel distance. Close to 42 =
km. I don't know the travel speed of electro magnet waves but I would assum=
e they would be near the speed of light. I'm not sure in the earth. If one =
were to assume that it was instantaneous then maybe the dog was sensing som=
e sort of electro magnet waves generated by the initiation of the event.

Regards
Barry
http://www.seismicvault.com

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Kareem Lanier from Heyjoojoo.Com  wrote:

From: Kareem Lanier from Heyjoojoo.Com
Subject: RE: Animals and Earthquakes
To: psn-l@..............
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:36 PM

=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThis is why I sent that link yesterday s=
howing the dog reacting=0Adramatically before the floor (and everything els=
e) moved violently from the=0AM6.5 Nothern Cal Quake. Most of the time with=
camera footage, one is not always=0Aable to detect every bit of motion. So=
, who knows if that dog was reacting to=0Asmall nearly imperceptible moveme=
nt that was probably going on just prior to=0Athe obvious side to side moti=
on that we saw. Or was the dog reacting to low=0Afrequency noises that occu=
r in the earth=E2=80=99s electromagnetic field just=0Aprior to an event? Do=
n=E2=80=99t know. There was a man in the same room with the=0Adog and he wa=
s sitting in a chair. He reacted just as the floor motion started=0Abut by =
the then, the dog had already made a bee-line out of the there.  =0A=0A =C2=
=A0 =0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaAzZIH4_X-s =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0A=
=C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Apsn-l-request@.............. [mailto:psn-=
l-request@............... On Behalf=0AOf Kay Wyatt
=0ASent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:37 AM
=0ATo: psn-l@..............
=0ASubject: Animals and Earthquakes =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=
=C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI'm not sure=0Ahow many of you are aware of the CE=
RT program (Community Emergency Response=0ATeam) which was developed in 198=
5 by the Los Angeles City Fire Department in=0A1985 to train ordinary citiz=
ens to be first responders in a major=0Adisaster.=C2=A0 The program was lat=
er adopted by FEMA (1993) and the training=0Amaterials are available online=
at http://www.citizencorps.gov/cert/index.shtm =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0 =
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn their=0Atraining manual they discuss various earthquak=
e myths.=C2=A0 One of them=0Aperplexes me and I would love to hear from any=
one who can explain this.=C2=A0=0ABelow is the material in their training m=
anual.=C2=A0 My questions is what are=0Athe "first low frequency waves of a=
n earthquake" that come PRIOR to=0Athe primary and secondary waves?=C2=A0 A=
re they talking about EM or non seismic=0Awaves? =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0 =
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ATheir=0Atraining guide..... =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0 =0A=
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A  =0A  Myth: =0A  =0A  =0A  Animals can sense earthqu=
akes and=0A  give advance warning. =0A   =C2=A0 =0A  =0A =0A =0A  =0A  Fact=
: =0A  =0A  =0A  Animals may be able to sense the first low-frequency waves=
=0A  of an earthquake that occur deep within the Earth, but the damage-caus=
ing=0A  primary and secondary waves follow just seconds behind.=C2=A0 Anima=
ls do not=0A  make good earthquake warning devices. =0A   =C2=A0 =0A  =0A =
More thoughts on Mr Dog.I did a little ma=
th. If the the P wave travels at 5-8 km/sec then if we use 7 km/sec and the=
dog moved ~ 6 sec before the noticeable movement (lets assume the P wave).=
This would relate to ~ 42 km. Ferndale ( as an example of a close town) is=
about 37 km from the epicenter but the the hypo center is @ a depth of 16 =
km. This would equal ~ 39 km travel distance. Close to 42 km. I don't know =
the travel speed of electro magnet waves but I would assume they would be n=
ear the speed of light. I'm not sure in the earth. If one were to assume th=
at it was instantaneous then maybe the dog was sensing some sort of electro=
magnet waves generated by the initiation of the event.RegardsB=
arryFrom: Kareem =
Lanier from Heyjoojoo.Com <system98765@.............>Subject: RE:=
Animals and EarthquakesTo: psn-l@..............Date: Tuesday, Janu=
ary 12, 2010, 12:36 PM=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThis is why I sent that li=
nk yesterday showing the dog reacting=0Adramatically before the floor (and =
everything else) moved violently from the=0AM6.5 Nothern Cal Quake. Most of=
the time with camera footage, one is not always=0Aable to detect every bit=
of motion. So, who knows if that dog was reacting to=0Asmall nearly imperc=
eptible movement that was probably going on just prior to=0Athe obvious sid=
e to side motion that we saw. Or was the dog reacting to low=0Afrequency no=
ises that occur in the earth=E2=80=99s electromagnetic field just=0Aprior t=
o an event? Don=E2=80=99t know. There was a man in the same room with the=
=0Adog and he was sitting in a chair. He reacted just as the floor motion s=
tarted=0Abut by the then, the dog had already made a bee-line out of the th=
ere.  =0A=0A   =0A=0Ahttp://www.you=
tube.com/watch?v=3DaAzZIH4_X-s =0A=0A   =0A=0A  <=
/p> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=
From:=0Apsn-l-request@............
com [mailto:psn-l-request@............... On Behalf=0AOf Kay Wyatt=0ASent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:37 AM=0ATo: psn-l=
@..............=0ASubject: Animals and Earthquakes =
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A   =0A=0A=0A=0A  =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI'm not sure=0Ahow many of you are aware of the CERT program =
(Community Emergency Response=0ATeam) which was developed in 1985 by the Lo=
s Angeles City Fire Department in=0A1985 to train ordinary citizens to be f=
irst responders in a major=0Adisaster.  The program was later adopted =
by FEMA (1993) and the training=0Amaterials are available online at http://www.citizencorps.gov/cert/index.shtm =0A=0A=
=0A=0A=0A=0A  =0A=0A=0A=0A=
=0A=0AIn their=0Atraining manual they discuss vario=
us earthquake myths.  One of them=0Aperplexes me and I would love to h=
ear from anyone who can explain this. =0ABelow is the material in thei=
r training manual.  My questions is what are=0Athe "first low frequenc=
y waves of an earthquake" that come PRIOR to=0Athe primary and secondary wa=
ves?  Are they talking about EM or non seismic=0Awaves? =0A=
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A  =0A=0A=0A=
=0A=0A=0ATheir=0Atraining guide..... =0A=
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A  =0A=0A=0A=
=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=
=0A  =0A =0A =0A  =0A  =
Fact: =0A  =0A  =0A=0A  Myt=
h: =0A  =0A  Animals can sense earthquakes and=0A  give advance warning. =
=0A     =0A  =0A  Animals may b=
e able to sense the first low-frequency waves=0A  of an earthquake that occ=
ur deep within the Earth, but the damage-causing=0A  primary and secondary =
waves follow just seconds behind.  Animals do not=0A  make good earthq=
uake warning devices. =0A     =0A  =0A =0A=0A   =0A=

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